Comments on: New Poll http://corvus.zakelro.com/2008/04/new-poll/ hoc ludite quasi carmen Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:10:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Anne http://corvus.zakelro.com/2008/04/new-poll/#comment-80109 Anne Mon, 07 Apr 2008 00:50:17 +0000 http://blog.pjsattic.com/corvus/?p=1652#comment-80109 I voted for Ultima, simply because the data available will be based on the history, social impact and proven longevity. I haven't played Assassin's Creed (it's on one of my lists of things to get to eventually), due to the presence of The Boy, but I don't think you would be able to achieve the same level of depth that you could with Ultima. I voted for Ultima, simply because the data available will be based on the history, social impact and proven longevity.

I haven’t played Assassin’s Creed (it’s on one of my lists of things to get to eventually), due to the presence of The Boy, but I don’t think you would be able to achieve the same level of depth that you could with Ultima.

]]> By: Kevin http://corvus.zakelro.com/2008/04/new-poll/#comment-80095 Kevin Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:03:08 +0000 http://blog.pjsattic.com/corvus/?p=1652#comment-80095 I've known a cinema teacher that do not want to do any analysis of a movie that is not at least 10 years old. He says that if you analyse a recent movie, you will likely miss the big picture surrounding it's creation (cultural, political, context of a genre, and so on). Analysing an old movie (or game) will allow you to have more data so you can successfully compare it to it's context in the time of it's creation and it's more modern counterparts. So yeah, that's Ultima. :) I’ve known a cinema teacher that do not want to do any analysis of a movie that is not at least 10 years old. He says that if you analyse a recent movie, you will likely miss the big picture surrounding it’s creation (cultural, political, context of a genre, and so on).

Analysing an old movie (or game) will allow you to have more data so you can successfully compare it to it’s context in the time of it’s creation and it’s more modern counterparts.

So yeah, that’s Ultima. :)

]]> By: Corvus http://corvus.zakelro.com/2008/04/new-poll/#comment-80091 Corvus Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:22:44 +0000 http://blog.pjsattic.com/corvus/?p=1652#comment-80091 ..and it's UW at 56.5% to AC's 43.5%. ..and it’s UW at 56.5% to AC’s 43.5%.

]]> By: Corvus http://corvus.zakelro.com/2008/04/new-poll/#comment-80090 Corvus Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:20:33 +0000 http://blog.pjsattic.com/corvus/?p=1652#comment-80090 Soon, Tormod, soon! I'm settling into a rhythm with my schedule finally and that means I'll have some quality time with <em>X-COM</em> over the coming weeks. Soon, Tormod, soon! I’m settling into a rhythm with my schedule finally and that means I’ll have some quality time with X-COM over the coming weeks.

]]> By: Tormod http://corvus.zakelro.com/2008/04/new-poll/#comment-80089 Tormod Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:47:29 +0000 http://blog.pjsattic.com/corvus/?p=1652#comment-80089 I must admit; I have a weak spot for adventure/rpg games where the story and choice (or at least a good illusion of choice) is a major point. I voted for the Ultima for this reason, and once again noted that I must find it and get going on it again. I would love to play AC, but I don't have anything remotely powerful enough to get it up and crawling. I think a game, or any work [of art]/ made up of story , plot and narrative needs a bit of age in order for it to be thought about with [nostalgic love]/ objectiveness. When is the next narrative series of articles coming ;) I must admit; I have a weak spot for adventure/rpg games where the story and choice (or at least a good illusion of choice) is a major point.

I voted for the Ultima for this reason, and once again noted that I must find it and get going on it again. I would love to play AC, but I don’t have anything remotely powerful enough to get it up and crawling.

I think a game, or any work [of art]/ made up of story , plot and narrative needs a bit of age in order for it to be thought about with [nostalgic love]/ objectiveness.

When is the next narrative series of articles coming ;)

]]> By: Jason http://corvus.zakelro.com/2008/04/new-poll/#comment-80088 Jason Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:15:44 +0000 http://blog.pjsattic.com/corvus/?p=1652#comment-80088 Hooray! Ultima FTW! Hooray! Ultima FTW!

]]> By: Kimari http://corvus.zakelro.com/2008/04/new-poll/#comment-80086 Kimari Fri, 04 Apr 2008 03:14:05 +0000 http://blog.pjsattic.com/corvus/?p=1652#comment-80086 Mmmhh... I like your thinking Andrew. Although Corvus already covered both games in various entries already, but I guess more is better in these cases. Mmmhh… I like your thinking Andrew. Although Corvus already covered both games in various entries already, but I guess more is better in these cases.

]]> By: Ben Abraham http://corvus.zakelro.com/2008/04/new-poll/#comment-80082 Ben Abraham Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:41:16 +0000 http://blog.pjsattic.com/corvus/?p=1652#comment-80082 I voted for Assasin's Creed simply because I haven't ever Ultima Underworld (or any of the Ultima's TBH) and I find that its always easier for me to read a chapter or article on a game that I have personally experienced or have at least a cursory knowledge of. That said, if it's well enough written to grab me in anyway then by all means, I'd read about Ultima Underworld. I voted for Assasin’s Creed simply because I haven’t ever Ultima Underworld (or any of the Ultima’s TBH) and I find that its always easier for me to read a chapter or article on a game that I have personally experienced or have at least a cursory knowledge of.

That said, if it’s well enough written to grab me in anyway then by all means, I’d read about Ultima Underworld.

]]> By: Andrew Armstrong http://corvus.zakelro.com/2008/04/new-poll/#comment-80079 Andrew Armstrong Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:34:07 +0000 http://blog.pjsattic.com/corvus/?p=1652#comment-80079 And that is awesome, doing both and only putting one into a book would mean the other could be posted here! And that is awesome, doing both and only putting one into a book would mean the other could be posted here!

]]> By: Andrew Armstrong http://corvus.zakelro.com/2008/04/new-poll/#comment-80078 Andrew Armstrong Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:33:28 +0000 http://blog.pjsattic.com/corvus/?p=1652#comment-80078 (By history I mean critical analysis pieces that are useful to anyone, not just historians, hehe) (By history I mean critical analysis pieces that are useful to anyone, not just historians, hehe)

]]> By: Corvus http://corvus.zakelro.com/2008/04/new-poll/#comment-80077 Corvus Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:23:21 +0000 http://blog.pjsattic.com/corvus/?p=1652#comment-80077 Thanks, Andrew. I have actually considered writing both up and asking the editor to choose. ;) Thanks, Andrew. I have actually considered writing both up and asking the editor to choose. ;)

]]> By: Andrew Armstrong http://corvus.zakelro.com/2008/04/new-poll/#comment-80075 Andrew Armstrong Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:10:52 +0000 http://blog.pjsattic.com/corvus/?p=1652#comment-80075 Both? I've not played either ;) I'll abstain. The world needs more people to write history articles, a lot more! Any more from you is a good thing Corvus :D Both? I’ve not played either ;) I’ll abstain.

The world needs more people to write history articles, a lot more! Any more from you is a good thing Corvus :D

]]> By: Corvus http://corvus.zakelro.com/2008/04/new-poll/#comment-80073 Corvus Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:07:59 +0000 http://blog.pjsattic.com/corvus/?p=1652#comment-80073 Interesting... 31.3% of the votes so far are for AC. I have an idea who one or two of those votes are from and I'd love to hear their reasoning! Because, ultimately, the poll was just an excuse to have a conversation about it. And speaking of conversation... Putting popularity aside, I think there's a lot to learn from both games. UW is, as you've both mentioned, a game that got so many things right. However, as is reflected in my RPG character development, I firmly believe we learn a lot from getting things wrong. Perhaps even more than we do from getting them right. And I consider the two games more of a spectrum of success, than anything. UW got a lot right but wasn't a blockbuster success. AC got a lot wrong but has done pretty well for itself. Just a matter of marketing perhaps, but I'm not certain that's entirely true. Interesting… 31.3% of the votes so far are for AC. I have an idea who one or two of those votes are from and I’d love to hear their reasoning!

Because, ultimately, the poll was just an excuse to have a conversation about it. And speaking of conversation…

Putting popularity aside, I think there’s a lot to learn from both games. UW is, as you’ve both mentioned, a game that got so many things right. However, as is reflected in my RPG character development, I firmly believe we learn a lot from getting things wrong. Perhaps even more than we do from getting them right.

And I consider the two games more of a spectrum of success, than anything. UW got a lot right but wasn’t a blockbuster success. AC got a lot wrong but has done pretty well for itself. Just a matter of marketing perhaps, but I’m not certain that’s entirely true.

]]> By: Duncan http://corvus.zakelro.com/2008/04/new-poll/#comment-80072 Duncan Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:51:59 +0000 http://blog.pjsattic.com/corvus/?p=1652#comment-80072 I've selected Ultima, because I think that there is a lot to be learned from older, and perhaps forgotten, games. There was less reliance on hardware gimmicks (like graphics and physics) to create and tell stories and I think that many of these techniques need to be reexamined for better inclusion in current generation games. Also, I've enjoyed your NotM on it. I’ve selected Ultima, because I think that there is a lot to be learned from older, and perhaps forgotten, games. There was less reliance on hardware gimmicks (like graphics and physics) to create and tell stories and I think that many of these techniques need to be reexamined for better inclusion in current generation games.

Also, I’ve enjoyed your NotM on it.

]]> By: Kimari http://corvus.zakelro.com/2008/04/new-poll/#comment-80071 Kimari Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:15:01 +0000 http://blog.pjsattic.com/corvus/?p=1652#comment-80071 I can see why you needed a poll to guide your decision. On one hand there's an incredible game that combines it's story and gameplay in a particularly good fashion but it's very old so the reader might not be interested in it, and on the other hand there's a game that everyone in the industry knows but has a rather shallow integration of the narrative and gameplay. I voted for Ultima, since what is important is the analysis not the popularity of the game being analyzed. I suppose that I prefer to see an essay on a game that does things right (to an extent) than any other option. I can see why you needed a poll to guide your decision. On one hand there’s an incredible game that combines it’s story and gameplay in a particularly good fashion but it’s very old so the reader might not be interested in it, and on the other hand there’s a game that everyone in the industry knows but has a rather shallow integration of the narrative and gameplay.

I voted for Ultima, since what is important is the analysis not the popularity of the game being analyzed. I suppose that I prefer to see an essay on a game that does things right (to an extent) than any other option.

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